Home
>
Foodlovers Food Talk
>
Topic
Foodlovers Foodtalk Forum
toddlers and kids on Paleo
Posted by Maryloo
toddlers and kids on Paleo May 03, 2016 09:34AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 2,155 |
Does anyone on this forum have their young children (2 yrs upwards) on the paleo diet? By Paleo for kids I mean the strict end... no cheese no milk ( almond mild only and not much of it) no yoghurt, Paleo bread very sparingly, tons of fruit and high fat..lots of bacon, sausages, meat etc. How do they get the protein/calcuim etc they need when they dont
the kiddies I know who live this way ( through strict parent choices) have their ribs showing!! although not too skinny generally.
Maybe it is my lack of information/knowledge re Paleo but It doesn't sit well with me when it comes to the kids eating this way.
the kiddies I know who live this way ( through strict parent choices) have their ribs showing!! although not too skinny generally.
Maybe it is my lack of information/knowledge re Paleo but It doesn't sit well with me when it comes to the kids eating this way.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 03, 2016 10:13AM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 3,422 |
A strict Paleo diet would involve the children eating minimally processed food, lots of vegetables, nuts, seasonal fruit, eggs, fish and meat, There's no lack of protein there. As long as they steer clear of all the "replica" foods like Paleo bread, bliss balls etc they should be fine.
(Edited to add). And there are plenty of non-dairy sources of calcium including canned salmon and sardines, bone broth, some leafy greens, nuts, tahini.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2016 12:20PM by TPANDAV.
(Edited to add). And there are plenty of non-dairy sources of calcium including canned salmon and sardines, bone broth, some leafy greens, nuts, tahini.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2016 12:20PM by TPANDAV.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 03, 2016 10:44AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
Yes I agree........think about kids not on paleo but have dairy allergies. Paleo is growing traction due to the numbers being effected by modern diseases, such has heart disease, diabetes, dementia which many followers believe are a result of the high carb - low fat diet guidelines. They essentially eat more wholefoods and while some of it might be questionable, its got to better than eating large amounts of processed food.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 04, 2016 12:43AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,660 |
You have to remember, there's no yoghurt or supermarket bread for the tribes in the Amazon, Papua New Guinea, Africa, etc. Are those people unhealthy? No. And the ancient man they found frozen in the Russian tundra, he wasn't eating yoghurt or ciabatta either. The Innuit? They did just fine on an high-meat diet. It's easy to be brainwashed into thinking the Western diet is the standard diet for planet Earth from year 0 to current date. There's a way bigger picture than that. Why do we keep thinking milk cheese yoghurt milk cheese yoghurt milk cheese yoghurt calcium calcium calcium - because we live in a country with a huge dairy industry and are heavily influenced by it.
Edited to add, for instance [www.aitc.sk.ca]
I mean, look at that traditional food and then look at that "now" food. Now imagine you'd never heard that dairy contains calcium and is therefore good for you. Without the calcium mantra, dairy becomes just another chocolate biscuit or bottle of soft drink. And the internet is awash with evidence that dairy is bad for you.........
Not that I'm against dairy, heh. But I'm not for it either. It's just important to not believe what you're influenced into believing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2016 12:53AM by J1.
Edited to add, for instance [www.aitc.sk.ca]
I mean, look at that traditional food and then look at that "now" food. Now imagine you'd never heard that dairy contains calcium and is therefore good for you. Without the calcium mantra, dairy becomes just another chocolate biscuit or bottle of soft drink. And the internet is awash with evidence that dairy is bad for you.........
Not that I'm against dairy, heh. But I'm not for it either. It's just important to not believe what you're influenced into believing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2016 12:53AM by J1.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 04, 2016 09:22AM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 919 |
Ive a friend who is VERY health and slightly extreme and she serves up gluten free stuff for her kids. I asked her today (as she was cooking GF pasta) "why' and she said its healthier and less stodgy. I said to her that the kids in Italy certainly werent suffering from obesity like I see in NZ and wonder if parents are getting mislead as to what denotes healthy eating.
I subscribe to the everything in moderation camp (although we never have lollies, juice or fizzy drinks at home) but for a treat, theres nothing better than a cold lemonade on a hot day!
Another friend had her kids 2 year old birthday party and she asked me if it was normal for the parents to refuse a piece of cake for their kids. I said NO, not in my experience but she had many who did for health/sugar reasons. my god, it was a homemade cake - oh the poor kids who couldnt experience it.
Paleo - I like the idea of less refined but the extreme view is totally over the top.
Vanessa
I subscribe to the everything in moderation camp (although we never have lollies, juice or fizzy drinks at home) but for a treat, theres nothing better than a cold lemonade on a hot day!
Another friend had her kids 2 year old birthday party and she asked me if it was normal for the parents to refuse a piece of cake for their kids. I said NO, not in my experience but she had many who did for health/sugar reasons. my god, it was a homemade cake - oh the poor kids who couldnt experience it.
Paleo - I like the idea of less refined but the extreme view is totally over the top.
Vanessa
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 04, 2016 11:18PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 2,155 |
I totally agree Vanessa...a birthday cake is a big focus of the celebration and is an experience for children ( and others...its good enough for weddings, anniversaries etc)) to honor and share in the fun of the day...esp as kiddie cakes are often the highlight of the day...and a treat it is!
But I see kids lunch boxes with absolutely nothing more substantial than half a sausage (substantial???) and at the end of the day are still over half full and the kids saying " thats disgusting" when offered it for afternoon tea. The kids clearly dont enjoy hummus rice crackers, nuts carrot sticks etc for their lunch!
Of course there are lots of foods that have required nutrients but what I see is extreme for kids and noting satisfying for active toddlers.
But I see kids lunch boxes with absolutely nothing more substantial than half a sausage (substantial???) and at the end of the day are still over half full and the kids saying " thats disgusting" when offered it for afternoon tea. The kids clearly dont enjoy hummus rice crackers, nuts carrot sticks etc for their lunch!
Of course there are lots of foods that have required nutrients but what I see is extreme for kids and noting satisfying for active toddlers.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 05, 2016 12:02AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
I think one thing you have to keep in mind when considering paleo followers is they don't believe that saturated fat causes issues with cholesterol or heart disease, in fact they believe its good for you in quantities much larger than those recommended by standard guidelines. They also believe that refined carbs are bad for you even in small quantities, not just cakes and biscuits but also bread, pasta etc whereas the standard diet treats these as staples.............so where kids are concerned most will raise them on the same diet and raise them with the same thinking.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 05, 2016 11:09AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 2,155 |
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 07, 2016 03:12AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 176 |
My thoughts on the above are that we should be able to make an informed choice on the types of diets we follow & not necessarily what we always have done, esp if thats not working any more.
I have been following a Banting food program (low carbs/high fat) for about 3 mths now, which has taken this 50+ brain a wee bit of adjusting to, but each week is easier. Especially as my go-to comfort food have always been carbs (mind you that is my issue ). I have identified that I am insulin resistant - [www.ditchthecarbs.com] - & feel so much better when not eating the high amount of carbs that I used too (& is recommended as a healthy way of eating, as previous posters have said). Cereal/oats/weetbix etc for breakfast; a salad roll or pasta for lunch & then the meat & carb dinner - whether this is potatoes, rice, pasta (again). Most of my life I have eaten in this way, & mid-menopausal ended up with tummy rolls & creeping weight gains.
I am definitely not hungry now during the day, able to identify when I am, with that absolute hunger, so not eating just because it is "lunchtime".
So, I have started to eat more protein based meals with a higher fat content, increasing the fat burning & making me feel fuller for longer. Many of my meals are based on meat, (all meats incl salami, bacon, chicken skin; veges, & cream based sauces for flavouring; cooking with coconut oil & eating nuts for snacks. Not so much fruit - esp bananas!!
There is loads of info on the web for recipes etc, but I am following this with a group of friends & a knowledgeable OT who has followed this for some years. I am noticing a difference, but also, when I do eat carbs (laziness/not organised etc) my belly feels bloated, I feel yuk, & I notice that I am hungry again soon after.
I appreciate that its not for everyone, but its working for me - & at nearly 58 have realised that the many diets I have tried have made all my little fat cells hold hands tight & refuse to budge when I reduce food intake again. Am exercising lots too, so all good. If any dietary food change has been researched & is being followed with knowledge, advice & support then I say go for it.
I have been following a Banting food program (low carbs/high fat) for about 3 mths now, which has taken this 50+ brain a wee bit of adjusting to, but each week is easier. Especially as my go-to comfort food have always been carbs (mind you that is my issue ). I have identified that I am insulin resistant - [www.ditchthecarbs.com] - & feel so much better when not eating the high amount of carbs that I used too (& is recommended as a healthy way of eating, as previous posters have said). Cereal/oats/weetbix etc for breakfast; a salad roll or pasta for lunch & then the meat & carb dinner - whether this is potatoes, rice, pasta (again). Most of my life I have eaten in this way, & mid-menopausal ended up with tummy rolls & creeping weight gains.
I am definitely not hungry now during the day, able to identify when I am, with that absolute hunger, so not eating just because it is "lunchtime".
So, I have started to eat more protein based meals with a higher fat content, increasing the fat burning & making me feel fuller for longer. Many of my meals are based on meat, (all meats incl salami, bacon, chicken skin; veges, & cream based sauces for flavouring; cooking with coconut oil & eating nuts for snacks. Not so much fruit - esp bananas!!
There is loads of info on the web for recipes etc, but I am following this with a group of friends & a knowledgeable OT who has followed this for some years. I am noticing a difference, but also, when I do eat carbs (laziness/not organised etc) my belly feels bloated, I feel yuk, & I notice that I am hungry again soon after.
I appreciate that its not for everyone, but its working for me - & at nearly 58 have realised that the many diets I have tried have made all my little fat cells hold hands tight & refuse to budge when I reduce food intake again. Am exercising lots too, so all good. If any dietary food change has been researched & is being followed with knowledge, advice & support then I say go for it.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 08, 2016 07:40AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 2,155 |
Mantilla... I have identified that I am insulin resistant[ ... is this self diagnosis or actual medical diagnosis?
Of course we all have and make our choices and as we age I believe we have to adapt our diet to meet the changes of our changing/menopausal bodies and if we feel better then that's good.
Of course exercise will always help carbs or no carbs, but i am a little concerned that the children I know don't even like the alternatives of many thing ( proteins, carbs etc) they are given (nuts, very dry paleo bread.)..its not their choice but their carers choice. It does seem to me there are an awful lot of "Google degrees " out there holding it as Gospel/the only way. "Born again" comes to mind for those who go to extremes.
Of course we all have and make our choices and as we age I believe we have to adapt our diet to meet the changes of our changing/menopausal bodies and if we feel better then that's good.
Of course exercise will always help carbs or no carbs, but i am a little concerned that the children I know don't even like the alternatives of many thing ( proteins, carbs etc) they are given (nuts, very dry paleo bread.)..its not their choice but their carers choice. It does seem to me there are an awful lot of "Google degrees " out there holding it as Gospel/the only way. "Born again" comes to mind for those who go to extremes.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 09, 2016 11:25AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 176 |
hi Maryloo - I acknowledge that the insulin resitance I mentioned before is "self diagnosed" but only after a lot of reading & deciding for myself especially after I noticed varying results in the hours & days after eating carbohydrate based meals. But as I said above, I strongly believe that we ... are able to make informed choices, & with respect, disagree with you that I am a born again anything with the food ideologies I am using/learning now.
However, I do concede that children are & can be dragged into trialling gluten free/paleo/whatever diets that frequent social media &/or bookshelves.
My choices are for me & only me, & I dont consider that the others in my household must follow this plan, nor drink the raw milk I buy or that they are wrong because they dont agree with me. My body is better suited to being fueled by a different group of foods then for example my DH & adult sons. Adults should be able to make informed choices on their own health without any generalist criticisms.
Horses for courses.
However, I do concede that children are & can be dragged into trialling gluten free/paleo/whatever diets that frequent social media &/or bookshelves.
My choices are for me & only me, & I dont consider that the others in my household must follow this plan, nor drink the raw milk I buy or that they are wrong because they dont agree with me. My body is better suited to being fueled by a different group of foods then for example my DH & adult sons. Adults should be able to make informed choices on their own health without any generalist criticisms.
Horses for courses.
Re: toddlers and kids on Paleo May 09, 2016 12:47PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 2,155 |
Hi Mantila...apologies if you read that "Born again" comment was directed at you...not for one minute,...just to the over reactive zealot I personally know that has a "google " degree! ...... white flag...peace! :-)
what you say is very true...each to their own.. and courses for horses for sure...my concern is for the toddlers I know who are under this paleo plan
what you say is very true...each to their own.. and courses for horses for sure...my concern is for the toddlers I know who are under this paleo plan
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.