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Posted by helen
Proposed Chicken Farm October 01, 2018 11:56PM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
I was interested to read that Tegel's proposed chicken farm near Dargaville has been stopped.
I can completely understand neighbours not wanting a large chicken farm in their area with potential odour, noise etc...
What I am not so sure about is the animal welfare argument.
Surely Tegel are only responding to demand for their product in terms of increasing production and will satisfy that demand in other ways if they can't have the Dargaville farm.
Shouldn't the animal welfare argument be aimed at consumers who are purchasing the product or am I wrong?
Interested to hear what you think.
I can completely understand neighbours not wanting a large chicken farm in their area with potential odour, noise etc...
What I am not so sure about is the animal welfare argument.
Surely Tegel are only responding to demand for their product in terms of increasing production and will satisfy that demand in other ways if they can't have the Dargaville farm.
Shouldn't the animal welfare argument be aimed at consumers who are purchasing the product or am I wrong?
Interested to hear what you think.
Re: Proposed Chicken Farm October 02, 2018 01:35AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
The article I just read said the plans were rejected by the OIO but didnt say why and what relevance it had to the community protests and the council.
I agree with you about the animal welfare argument being targetted at consumers, but these action groups dont get the response that suits them, so suppliers are being targetted.
How they manage demand will be interesting, but at guess its probably going to be frozen imports.
I agree with you about the animal welfare argument being targetted at consumers, but these action groups dont get the response that suits them, so suppliers are being targetted.
How they manage demand will be interesting, but at guess its probably going to be frozen imports.
Re: Proposed Chicken Farm October 02, 2018 02:29AM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 3,425 |
helen Wrote:
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> Surely Tegel are only responding to demand for
> their product in terms of increasing production
> and will satisfy that demand in other ways if they
> can't have the Dargaville farm.
> Shouldn't the animal welfare argument be aimed at
> consumers who are purchasing the product or am I
> wrong?
> Interested to hear what you think.
My opinion:
1. Tegel has created the increased demand by clever marketing and cut throat discounting.
2. The animal welfare argument is effective with the sector of the public which has enough disposable income to pay the few dollars extra for high-welfare chicken, eggs and pork, but for the many households who are struggling to afford enough food (especially protein) to keep them healthy then price cutting will always be the strongest tool in keeping demand up.
3. One of the problems of free range meat and eggs is the not always justified perception that free range is unaffordable. There needs to be wider education, particularly about how to cook so as to get the best value. At Pak & Save you can buy frozen Rangiteiki free-range chickens for $9.00. One of these will make a good meal for 6 - 8 people if treated cleverly as it has so much flavour and substance compared with a battery chicken.
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> Surely Tegel are only responding to demand for
> their product in terms of increasing production
> and will satisfy that demand in other ways if they
> can't have the Dargaville farm.
> Shouldn't the animal welfare argument be aimed at
> consumers who are purchasing the product or am I
> wrong?
> Interested to hear what you think.
My opinion:
1. Tegel has created the increased demand by clever marketing and cut throat discounting.
2. The animal welfare argument is effective with the sector of the public which has enough disposable income to pay the few dollars extra for high-welfare chicken, eggs and pork, but for the many households who are struggling to afford enough food (especially protein) to keep them healthy then price cutting will always be the strongest tool in keeping demand up.
3. One of the problems of free range meat and eggs is the not always justified perception that free range is unaffordable. There needs to be wider education, particularly about how to cook so as to get the best value. At Pak & Save you can buy frozen Rangiteiki free-range chickens for $9.00. One of these will make a good meal for 6 - 8 people if treated cleverly as it has so much flavour and substance compared with a battery chicken.
Re: Proposed Chicken Farm October 02, 2018 07:01AM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
Tpandav I agree with you on the whole however there is so much cloud in what constitutes free range in New Zealand.
Rangitikei are a Tegel brand. I haven't visited the farm so can't factually comment whether the chickens are outdoors or not.
I do believe that in NZ if you want genuine free range then you buy a brand such as Bostock and to create that type of chicken it does cost money - they are I think around $25 each - is that right?
I am certainly not supporting commercial farming of chickens crowded indoors but I think we should understand the alternatives and are the "free-range" chickens we are buying really any better off than the others...
Rangitikei are a Tegel brand. I haven't visited the farm so can't factually comment whether the chickens are outdoors or not.
I do believe that in NZ if you want genuine free range then you buy a brand such as Bostock and to create that type of chicken it does cost money - they are I think around $25 each - is that right?
I am certainly not supporting commercial farming of chickens crowded indoors but I think we should understand the alternatives and are the "free-range" chickens we are buying really any better off than the others...
Re: Proposed Chicken Farm October 02, 2018 07:33AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
TPANDAV, totally agree with point 2. Articulated perfectly.
I have not managed to navigate free range eggs. They are about twice the price of caged, but pastured eggs are only about $2-$3 more than free range per half a dozen.
I believe most free range eggs are caged as I dont get how they can possibly supply the same volume of eggs as caged.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2018 08:04AM by Plates.
I have not managed to navigate free range eggs. They are about twice the price of caged, but pastured eggs are only about $2-$3 more than free range per half a dozen.
I believe most free range eggs are caged as I dont get how they can possibly supply the same volume of eggs as caged.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2018 08:04AM by Plates.
Re: Proposed Chicken Farm October 02, 2018 07:51AM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 3,425 |
Helen, Bostock chickens are about $25, sometimes cheaper at Pak & Save but still about $19. They are very good, but require a different approach by the cook as the flesh is denser and leaner than ordinary free-range such as Rangitikei and Waitoa.
I mostly buy Waitoa whole chickens and find them a good compromise - they are not organic but are nicely meaty, cost about $16 at New World, $14 at Pak & Save.
I totally agree that the poultry and egg industries need to become more transparent about their methods.
I mostly buy Waitoa whole chickens and find them a good compromise - they are not organic but are nicely meaty, cost about $16 at New World, $14 at Pak & Save.
I totally agree that the poultry and egg industries need to become more transparent about their methods.
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