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Posted by helen
Virus Confusion March 03, 2020 11:52PM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
Is anyone else feeling confused around Coronavirus/Covid-19?
On the one hand we are told that it isn't that major unless you are old or ill.
It has a lower mortality rate than the annual influenza and seems that it is not as easy to catch.
If all of this is correct then why are we worried at all?
Why are medical people in white suits?
Why are sick people being put into isolation?
Why are we questioning whether the Olympics will go ahead? We don't question sporting events for the flu which apparently kills more people...
Any words of wisdom around this are welcome.
On the one hand we are told that it isn't that major unless you are old or ill.
It has a lower mortality rate than the annual influenza and seems that it is not as easy to catch.
If all of this is correct then why are we worried at all?
Why are medical people in white suits?
Why are sick people being put into isolation?
Why are we questioning whether the Olympics will go ahead? We don't question sporting events for the flu which apparently kills more people...
Any words of wisdom around this are welcome.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 12:44AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
It is a difficult one. I also have read several times that you are most at risk if you hare elderly with health problems or you have a compromised immune condition.
You really have to consider your own situation to decide the level of precaution you want to take such. Not using hand sanitizer nor have stocked up for two weeks, but for instance, am going to the supermarket at quieter times, working from home etc.
Personally, I think the media hype has diverted the attention away from whose most at risk whereas certain people should be more cautious.
You really have to consider your own situation to decide the level of precaution you want to take such. Not using hand sanitizer nor have stocked up for two weeks, but for instance, am going to the supermarket at quieter times, working from home etc.
Personally, I think the media hype has diverted the attention away from whose most at risk whereas certain people should be more cautious.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 01:19AM |
Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 1,789 |
China would not have locked down most of their country if this was not serious. Other countries have closed their schools down and banned large events. Watching what other countries affected are trying to do to stem their own outbreaks should show the seriousness of this virus and yet still those without it seem too complacent to me. Countries with a more blasé attitude are now seeing their numbers rocket (France, Germany, and soon the USA I think). The main issue will be the number of people who can potentially become infected and will need hospitalisation. I don't think any country in the world has that level of medical facility available, so the spread needs to be contained as much as possible.
I have been following a British man (Dr John Campbell) for the last few weeks. He has been posting daily updates on YouTube and everything he has been predicting since January is starting to come true. His post are just factual, not hysterical, he follows a lot of research and studies going on and seems to have a better handle on which countries are handling this virus best. His logic is playing out in the numbers and he has sound advice on protecting yourself from the virus.
My gut feeling is this is not going to be good (and I always trust my gut - it hasn't let me down before). We should all be doing what we can to take care of ourselves and our families as much as possible in the coming months. Having extra food stocks and supplies should be a minimum step for everyone (without hoarding) and think about shortages that will be coming over the months ahead. I really, really, really hope that I am wrong but I can't control how our government reacts to this so will do what I can to keep my family safe. If I am wrong I will have low grocery bills for the next few months and an awesome vege garden over winter - no downside there.
I have been following a British man (Dr John Campbell) for the last few weeks. He has been posting daily updates on YouTube and everything he has been predicting since January is starting to come true. His post are just factual, not hysterical, he follows a lot of research and studies going on and seems to have a better handle on which countries are handling this virus best. His logic is playing out in the numbers and he has sound advice on protecting yourself from the virus.
My gut feeling is this is not going to be good (and I always trust my gut - it hasn't let me down before). We should all be doing what we can to take care of ourselves and our families as much as possible in the coming months. Having extra food stocks and supplies should be a minimum step for everyone (without hoarding) and think about shortages that will be coming over the months ahead. I really, really, really hope that I am wrong but I can't control how our government reacts to this so will do what I can to keep my family safe. If I am wrong I will have low grocery bills for the next few months and an awesome vege garden over winter - no downside there.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 01:39AM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 1,979 |
I think it is something to take seriously, but not panic about. I wonder if part of the concern by public health officials is because of the newness, they don't know how this virus fully interacts with the body and other existing medical conditions, also being aware of the possibility to mutate. The unknowns are what they need to prepare for.
At least in NZ we have the benefit of it being summer right now, and perhaps there won't be any widespread community transmission until winter -- by which time hopefully more is understood about who is at most risk, how medical staff can best treat people, and the panic may have waned a little. The low transmission rates seem to be positive news.
My husband is considered essential staff by his employer, so if there is community transmission, he may well be required to work from home so he doesn't get sick. My sons, 14 and 16 don't seem to be too bothered, but I am trying to get their hand hygiene a little better (not hopeful on that one, sigh).
If the death rates remain as they are, quite low, then this may well have more of an economic effect rather than being a global health crisis of frightening proportions. Lets hope that's the case.
At least in NZ we have the benefit of it being summer right now, and perhaps there won't be any widespread community transmission until winter -- by which time hopefully more is understood about who is at most risk, how medical staff can best treat people, and the panic may have waned a little. The low transmission rates seem to be positive news.
My husband is considered essential staff by his employer, so if there is community transmission, he may well be required to work from home so he doesn't get sick. My sons, 14 and 16 don't seem to be too bothered, but I am trying to get their hand hygiene a little better (not hopeful on that one, sigh).
If the death rates remain as they are, quite low, then this may well have more of an economic effect rather than being a global health crisis of frightening proportions. Lets hope that's the case.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 01:43AM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
Straight after posting I found this on the news WHO and Coronavirus which has given me some clarity.
I think the fact that the mortality rate is much higher than the flu (I didn't know that) combined with the fact that no one has immunity as it is a new virus makes things more serious.
Think I will buy some more potatoes and add a couple of chooks to the freezer today. Just in case we need to stay at home.
a few bottles of long life milk too.
It will all get eaten in the end.
Oh and it might be time to get some more greens into the garden.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2020 01:44AM by helen.
I think the fact that the mortality rate is much higher than the flu (I didn't know that) combined with the fact that no one has immunity as it is a new virus makes things more serious.
Think I will buy some more potatoes and add a couple of chooks to the freezer today. Just in case we need to stay at home.
a few bottles of long life milk too.
It will all get eaten in the end.
Oh and it might be time to get some more greens into the garden.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2020 01:44AM by helen.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 02:00AM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 1,979 |
Helen, here is another interesting article on falling reported death rates, published today by National Public Radio in the US (very reputable news organisation). Just to give more information to the pile.
[www.npr.org]
[www.npr.org]
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 02:23AM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 3,422 |
Jenna Wrote:
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> I think it is something to take seriously, but not
> panic about. I wonder if part of the concern by
> public health officials is because of the newness,
> they don't know how this virus fully interacts
> with the body and other existing medical
> conditions, also being aware of the possibility to
> mutate. The unknowns are what they need to prepare
> for.
>
......
> If the death rates remain as they are, quite low,
> then this may well have more of an economic effect
> rather than being a global health crisis of
> frightening proportions. Lets hope that's the
> case.
I agree. I think it is the unknowns that are the problem, particularly the incubation time, the non-symptomatic infectiousness period and whether or not one infection gives a person immunity when exposed again to the virus.
The other aspect is the politics involved, especially that very few countries are giving trustworthy information.
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> I think it is something to take seriously, but not
> panic about. I wonder if part of the concern by
> public health officials is because of the newness,
> they don't know how this virus fully interacts
> with the body and other existing medical
> conditions, also being aware of the possibility to
> mutate. The unknowns are what they need to prepare
> for.
>
......
> If the death rates remain as they are, quite low,
> then this may well have more of an economic effect
> rather than being a global health crisis of
> frightening proportions. Lets hope that's the
> case.
I agree. I think it is the unknowns that are the problem, particularly the incubation time, the non-symptomatic infectiousness period and whether or not one infection gives a person immunity when exposed again to the virus.
The other aspect is the politics involved, especially that very few countries are giving trustworthy information.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 06:19AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,228 |
I recommend getting your information from a reputable source.
[www.health.govt.nz]
[www.cdc.gov]
Take sensible health advice such as washing your hands frequently, keeping distance between yourself and others in supermarkets etc. avoiding concerts or places where people are jammed together, obviously keep distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
I have changed my tune and do think it's worth being prepared for a potential couple of weeks where your movements might be constrained is sensible, but also remember we will still have access to things like online groceries etc. which can be managed without having any contact with others.
[www.health.govt.nz]
[www.cdc.gov]
Take sensible health advice such as washing your hands frequently, keeping distance between yourself and others in supermarkets etc. avoiding concerts or places where people are jammed together, obviously keep distance between yourself and anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
I have changed my tune and do think it's worth being prepared for a potential couple of weeks where your movements might be constrained is sensible, but also remember we will still have access to things like online groceries etc. which can be managed without having any contact with others.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 08:10AM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 1,979 |
Griz, with the thought of online shopping, you may consider a post on my local facebook bitch and moan group. Supermarkets have always ooked me out a little, so many people touching so many things, bits of meat, veg and other food getting tracked around. Raw chicken drippings on the checkout belts from people who don't bag their meat etc. Yes, I admit this is a person problem, lol.
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I'm not sure if this a bitch or moan post.. I think people who get their countdown shopping delivered or picked up, probably need to spray the paper bags and it's contents with disinfectant. I've just seen 2 workers that were doing the grocery orders coughing and spluttering all over the customers bags, whilst putting the items inside.. some of the food were also exposed.. So, just a heads up. Not very hygienic of them at the best of times, let alone right now.
Re: Virus Confusion March 04, 2020 12:29PM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 05, 2020 11:13PM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
My confusion lies with "experts" and their opinions as they seem to be diverse.
Here on CBS News we have a medical expert predicting 70% of the population could get this with fatalities in the millions...
I am not sitting around worrying but just trying to understand.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2020 11:52PM by helen.
Here on CBS News we have a medical expert predicting 70% of the population could get this with fatalities in the millions...
I am not sitting around worrying but just trying to understand.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2020 11:52PM by helen.
Re: Virus Confusion March 06, 2020 02:10AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 06, 2020 06:56AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,228 |
I wouldn't listen to the "experts" you are hearing on the TV, they all come with their own bias. In fact I'm trying to limit my corona virus reading. Seriously, for updated official information go to the websites I've given and stop listening/watching/reading the other stuff! It's media hpye. (One exception, I believe our Souxsie Wiles, the one with the beautiful pink hair is also giving good information, so if she's the expert, then listen away!)
Re: Virus Confusion March 06, 2020 07:39AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 06, 2020 07:59AM |
Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 799 |
Even the MoH is contradicting itself. Every contact described is 'low-risk', the concert, the kids at school, the doctors surgery, the other people on the plane etc etc. If they know what is 'low risk', they should be able to define 'high risk' by providing some examples.
They also say these contacts are low risk, but proceed to to say they are doing 'contact tracing',
I think everything from the MoH is low risk until it isn't anymore.
They also say these contacts are low risk, but proceed to to say they are doing 'contact tracing',
I think everything from the MoH is low risk until it isn't anymore.
Re: Virus Confusion March 06, 2020 08:59AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 07, 2020 05:13AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 2,228 |
Siouxsie Wiles is a microbiologist with a speciality in infectious diseases... she's a good source of information.
Low risk - means that people have been in contact with the virus, and may have been in the community, but they were not exhibiting symptoms (so likely not infectious at that time), and have now been asked to self isolate.
High risk - would be someone who has been circulating in the community, having come from a country with a known outbreak, who has symptoms and is therefore infectious.
I think people should be stockpiling hand cream, after 3 x 12 hour nightshifts with just regular, standard precautions hand washing my hands are like dried leaves!
Low risk - means that people have been in contact with the virus, and may have been in the community, but they were not exhibiting symptoms (so likely not infectious at that time), and have now been asked to self isolate.
High risk - would be someone who has been circulating in the community, having come from a country with a known outbreak, who has symptoms and is therefore infectious.
I think people should be stockpiling hand cream, after 3 x 12 hour nightshifts with just regular, standard precautions hand washing my hands are like dried leaves!
Re: Virus Confusion March 08, 2020 05:28AM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
Griz a friend and I were discussing our dry hands this morning.
While all this hand washing prevents the spread of germs it also dries your skin out immensely.
I will start to work through the tubes of hand cream in the cupboard - funnily enough I had been thinking about what to do with them. Having been given many for gifts, I now have a pile.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2020 08:15AM by helen.
While all this hand washing prevents the spread of germs it also dries your skin out immensely.
I will start to work through the tubes of hand cream in the cupboard - funnily enough I had been thinking about what to do with them. Having been given many for gifts, I now have a pile.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2020 08:15AM by helen.
Re: Virus Confusion March 08, 2020 06:10AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,660 |
The alcohol-based hand sanitisers are very drying on the skin.
There are also Benzalkonium chloride (BAK) based ones which aren't drying. BAK is used as a preservative in many medicines (e.g. eyedrops), make-up products, mouth washes and shampoos, etc (for list of uses see [en.wikipedia.org] ).
Your common anti-germ disinfectants we use to clean our toilets, etc, (e.g. Value Disinfectant 2 litres $2.39 contains 1.5% w/w BAK) are often BAK-based. BAK is a very powerful disinfectant and germ killer.
For use as a hand sanitiser, you want BAK in concentrations of 0.1% or less. If you can't purchase hand sanitiser because it's out of stock and you desperately need some for some emergency reason, you could possibly mix up your own by diluting a small portion of your BAK-based toilet disinfectant with some boiled and cooled water (work out the concentration percentage w/w ideally as you really don't want too much BAK on your skin). I'm not recommending this but, as I said, it might be better than nothing if you desperately needed something in an emergency scenario.
This [www.sciencedirect.com] is interesting. It shows BAK-based hand sanitisers are better at maintaining a germ-killing barrier on your hands for an extended period of time and therefore better at that than alcohol-based hand sanitisers.
There's also this info from [www.washingtonpost.com]:
"With all the hand sanitizer products out there, there are a few points consumers should remember. First, hand sanitizer’s effects are short-lived. “It literally lasts for that moment, and then you touch something, and you’ve recontaminated your hands,” Barron said. That’s why resisting the urge to touch your eyes, scratch your nose, or put your fingers against or in your mouth is another important practice for keeping bacteria and viruses at bay."
"Sometimes, water and soap are preferable. While alcohol-based hand sanitizers kill more than 99 percent of germs that infect humans, said Jennifer Lighter, an epidemiologist and pediatric infectious disease specialist at New York University’s Lagone Health, they don’t kill spores from bacterium such as C. difficile. Nor is hand sanitizer as effective as soap and water at preventing the spread of norovirus. That means that whenever someone is experiencing gastrointestinal issues, washing hands is a must."
I'll add that I don't have any hand sanitiser (and couldn't get any even if I wanted some) and have, for years, followed the protocol of not touching my face. I'm also a big fan of soap and water and like to wash my hands regularly. I'm extremely reluctant to eat any food I have to touch with my hands unless I've just washed them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2020 06:41AM by J1.
There are also Benzalkonium chloride (BAK) based ones which aren't drying. BAK is used as a preservative in many medicines (e.g. eyedrops), make-up products, mouth washes and shampoos, etc (for list of uses see [en.wikipedia.org] ).
Your common anti-germ disinfectants we use to clean our toilets, etc, (e.g. Value Disinfectant 2 litres $2.39 contains 1.5% w/w BAK) are often BAK-based. BAK is a very powerful disinfectant and germ killer.
For use as a hand sanitiser, you want BAK in concentrations of 0.1% or less. If you can't purchase hand sanitiser because it's out of stock and you desperately need some for some emergency reason, you could possibly mix up your own by diluting a small portion of your BAK-based toilet disinfectant with some boiled and cooled water (work out the concentration percentage w/w ideally as you really don't want too much BAK on your skin). I'm not recommending this but, as I said, it might be better than nothing if you desperately needed something in an emergency scenario.
This [www.sciencedirect.com] is interesting. It shows BAK-based hand sanitisers are better at maintaining a germ-killing barrier on your hands for an extended period of time and therefore better at that than alcohol-based hand sanitisers.
There's also this info from [www.washingtonpost.com]:
"With all the hand sanitizer products out there, there are a few points consumers should remember. First, hand sanitizer’s effects are short-lived. “It literally lasts for that moment, and then you touch something, and you’ve recontaminated your hands,” Barron said. That’s why resisting the urge to touch your eyes, scratch your nose, or put your fingers against or in your mouth is another important practice for keeping bacteria and viruses at bay."
"Sometimes, water and soap are preferable. While alcohol-based hand sanitizers kill more than 99 percent of germs that infect humans, said Jennifer Lighter, an epidemiologist and pediatric infectious disease specialist at New York University’s Lagone Health, they don’t kill spores from bacterium such as C. difficile. Nor is hand sanitizer as effective as soap and water at preventing the spread of norovirus. That means that whenever someone is experiencing gastrointestinal issues, washing hands is a must."
I'll add that I don't have any hand sanitiser (and couldn't get any even if I wanted some) and have, for years, followed the protocol of not touching my face. I'm also a big fan of soap and water and like to wash my hands regularly. I'm extremely reluctant to eat any food I have to touch with my hands unless I've just washed them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2020 06:41AM by J1.
Re: Virus Confusion March 10, 2020 01:57AM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
In reading Italy's response to the virus, it appears that the biggest issue is the stress on the health system which I guess is the same world wide.
None of our countries are equipped to have so many people unwell at the same time and with that a number requiring hospital care.
Those extra beds and staff don't just happen.
So the more the virus is contained then the less impact on the health system...
I did say I wasn't going to read any more on this, haha.
None of our countries are equipped to have so many people unwell at the same time and with that a number requiring hospital care.
Those extra beds and staff don't just happen.
So the more the virus is contained then the less impact on the health system...
I did say I wasn't going to read any more on this, haha.
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 01:16AM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 607 |
J1, not touching your face is an excellent discipline to prevent the transfer of bacteria if you can manage it - I was reading recently that we humans touch our faces up to 140 times a day, mostly unconsciously...
Helen, I think we are going to be reading about Covid-19 for a long time, whether we like it or not. That said, I do hope that we can start getting some factual and consistent information soon and that something is learned from it all so that outbreaks of this nature can be mitigated and/or better managed in the future.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Helen, I think we are going to be reading about Covid-19 for a long time, whether we like it or not. That said, I do hope that we can start getting some factual and consistent information soon and that something is learned from it all so that outbreaks of this nature can be mitigated and/or better managed in the future.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 03:45AM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 3,660 |
Re keeping your hands away from your face, in the supermarket this week I spied, firstly, a woman holding her set of keys between her teeth as she put her groceries in her hatchback and then, secondly, a woman holding her pen between her teeth as she took a grocery item off the shelf.
I bet there's still plenty of finger wetters/lickers turning magazine pages in waiting rooms around the country too......
I bet there's still plenty of finger wetters/lickers turning magazine pages in waiting rooms around the country too......
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 03:47AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 06:50AM |
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On the subject of finger lickers/wetters, I work part-time in retail and if they are paying in cash, people often lick their fingers and apply their wet finger to their notes to separate them before counting them out or handing them over. It makes me feel ill and I always try to not handle the notes where the licked finger has been. ..and of course they are putting themselves at risk as well.
Again, people are probably doing it without realising it, but I guess we all now need to be more aware of taking those extra little precautions.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2020 06:50AM by Barbara Anne.
Again, people are probably doing it without realising it, but I guess we all now need to be more aware of taking those extra little precautions.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2020 06:50AM by Barbara Anne.
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 07:33AM |
Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 5,699 |
This afternoon I was at a large supermarket and I did a double take when I saw a young 5 or 6 year old little girl with her hands on each end of the trolley handle and her open mouth around the middle part of the trolley handle sucking on it. The height of the trolley handle was exactly at her mouth height. This was while she was waiting beside her parent or caregiver who was selecting from the fruit and vegetables area. I had to turn away as it made my stomach churn...……..
Regards,
Dawn.
Regards,
Dawn.
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 07:46AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 03:15PM |
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It's difficult at the moment to work out exactly how serious the virus is going to turn out to be. Early in an epidemic the death rates are usually overestimates as they count deaths against diagnosed cases, which leaves out of the count the many more mild cases that are never reported to a doctor. They get a better handle on those figures later on. And of course the overall rate is pretty meaningless as what really matters is what the rate is for your age group. It seems clear that it's far more dangerous for older people, particularly people over 70, and particularly those with underlying health conditions. The newest figures coming out of China show a significant drop in the rate - but even so it's still four to seven times higher than the annual flu death rate, so it's still not nothing. A further complicating factor is that there might be two strains, one more serious that then other, which would account for some people getting it only mildly but others getting the really bad lung symptoms. Something else to consider is that the fatality rate is one thing but you also need to take into account the rate of serious/critical cases, which is currently more than 10% and not a group you'd want to be in, particularly when the hospitals run out of room/equipment.
It's easy for me to self-isolate as we work from home, but the worrisome thing is trying to work out when it's likely to be safe to travel. Helen, your Croatia trip leaves on the exact same day as mine - at the moment are you still thinking of going?
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It's easy for me to self-isolate as we work from home, but the worrisome thing is trying to work out when it's likely to be safe to travel. Helen, your Croatia trip leaves on the exact same day as mine - at the moment are you still thinking of going?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2020 03:16PM by CarolynC.
Re: Virus Confusion March 11, 2020 09:54PM |
Admin Registered: 18 years ago Posts: 7,920 |
Carolyn we are still focussing on going to Croatia as I am hopeful that by late northern hemisphere summer things will have eased considerably.
Not sure what that means for here though as we will in winter flu season where viruses flourish.
I am not paying any money on to our Croatia tour company though until I am sure that we are actually going to be able to go.
That will probably be a few months away, I am waiting on booking flights as well.
We had a science research friend here last night and she was talking about the strain in Italy being significantly stronger than the Chinese strain.
Another friend has a son at a US uni and they have been told that they must all vacate campus and all lectures will be online for the foreseeable future.
I don't condone panic bulk buying but I also think It makes sense to have what you need for a few weeks of self isolation. Surely that is just being sensible....
Not sure what that means for here though as we will in winter flu season where viruses flourish.
I am not paying any money on to our Croatia tour company though until I am sure that we are actually going to be able to go.
That will probably be a few months away, I am waiting on booking flights as well.
We had a science research friend here last night and she was talking about the strain in Italy being significantly stronger than the Chinese strain.
Another friend has a son at a US uni and they have been told that they must all vacate campus and all lectures will be online for the foreseeable future.
I don't condone panic bulk buying but I also think It makes sense to have what you need for a few weeks of self isolation. Surely that is just being sensible....
Re: Virus Confusion March 12, 2020 01:35AM |
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Re: Virus Confusion March 12, 2020 04:34AM |
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I see that Trump has just closed US borders to Europe for one month so that will hopefully have a dramatic effect on the spread of the virus. I'm glad that he appears to have finally taken the matter seriously.
Also yesterday was the first day since the virus outbreak that there was no reported death from it in China where it originated - hopefully an indication that it is on the wane.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2020 04:35AM by Barbara Anne.
Also yesterday was the first day since the virus outbreak that there was no reported death from it in China where it originated - hopefully an indication that it is on the wane.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Regards,
Barbara Anne
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2020 04:35AM by Barbara Anne.
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